Ἔρως / Θάνατος
Freud's two basic classes of drive: Eros, the life drive of sex and love, and the death drive, a pull toward the inorganic that shows as aggression when turned outward. In the lecture, Thanatos is aggression and killing.
Shore likens them to postulates of geometry: Freud does not prove them, he simply posits them as hardwired.
The image Shore uses for it, in our paraphrase.
In lecture order, as Marci Shore presents each view. The time opens that minute of the lecture on YouTube.
The id is desire itself, unconscious, divided into two hardwired drives Freud posits like geometric axioms rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure; Thanatos, toward aggression and death.
Put simply Freud: the "id" is desire itself, and unconscious. It has two inborn drives that he assumes rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure, and Thanatos, toward aggression and death.
In the text In The Ego and the Id (1923; Riviere translation), ch. IV, Freud writes of "two classes of instincts, one of which, Eros or the sexual instincts," and calls the other the death instinct.
Civilization is bought with repression of both drives: to live together people must curb sex and aggression alike, which is why society and individual fulfillment pull against each other.
Put simply Freud: civilization is paid for by holding back both our basic drives. To live together, people must curb sex and aggression alike, which is why society and personal fulfillment pull against each other.
Civilization, Freud writes, is largely "constantly created anew": every individual entering society must in turn give up instinctual satisfaction for the community's sake.
Put simply Freud: civilization is rebuilt in every generation, because each new person joining society must give up some satisfaction of their drives for the good of the community.
Against the Marxists, who expect aggressive instincts to fade once conditions change, Freud insists aggression is hardwired and older than private property, so no social rearrangement removes it.
Where to read it Freud, Civilization and Its Discontents, ch. V.
The Bolsheviks' failing, in Reich's view, is that they have paid too little attention to sexual questions.
For Reich, sexual liberation cannot be achieved inside a capitalist order; the two are incompatible.
Where Freud saw repression as the unavoidable cost of living together, Marcuse sees an exit: the repression that matters is capitalism's, and its hold on the body might be undermined.
Put simply Marcuse: Freud thought repression was the unavoidable price of living together. Marcuse sees a way out: the repression that matters comes from capitalism, and its grip on our bodies might be loosened.
Eros and Thanatos compete for the same space, and the death drive can only occupy ground eros has vacated; so work rearranged to re-eroticize the body shrinks aggression.
Put simply Marcuse: the erotic drive ("Eros") and the death drive ("Thanatos") compete for the same ground, and aggression only fills space eroticism has left. So reorganizing work to re-eroticize the body would reduce aggression.
With Auschwitz, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in mind, Marcuse warns that unless capitalist sexual repression is reversed, annihilation will be our ultimate fate: the death drive will finish off the species.
Put simply Marcuse, writing in 1955 with Auschwitz and Hiroshima in mind: unless capitalism's sexual repression is reversed, annihilation is our fate, because the death drive, our urge to destroy, will finish off the species.
Beauvoir finds Freud as reductive as Marx: psychoanalysis swaps existential choice for hardwired drives and involuntary repression, a determinism she cannot accept, however seriously she takes sexuality.
6 links between claims that both use the term. Each shows the earlier claim, then the later one that answers it. “Our inference” marks a link Shore does not state outright.
FreudThe id is desire itself, unconscious, divided into two hardwired drives Freud posits like geometric axioms rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure; Thanatos, toward aggression and death. L9 · 32:50
FreudCivilization is bought with repression of both drives: to live together people must curb sex and aggression alike, which is why society and individual fulfillment pull against each other. L9 · 42:17
Society must repress both drives, Eros and Thanatos, to keep people living together.
FreudThe id is desire itself, unconscious, divided into two hardwired drives Freud posits like geometric axioms rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure; Thanatos, toward aggression and death. L9 · 32:50
FreudAgainst the Marxists, who expect aggressive instincts to fade once conditions change, Freud insists aggression is hardwired and older than private property, so no social rearrangement removes it. L9 · 47:30
Aggression is a hardwired drive, not a product of private property.
ReichFor Reich, sexual liberation cannot be achieved inside a capitalist order; the two are incompatible. L14 · 32:00
MarcuseWhere Freud saw repression as the unavoidable cost of living together, Marcuse sees an exit: the repression that matters is capitalism's, and its hold on the body might be undermined. L14 · 40:22
Shares Reich's claim that capitalism specifically, not civilization as such, causes sexual repression, but adds the Eros/Thanatos economy explaining the stakes.
FreudCivilization is bought with repression of both drives: to live together people must curb sex and aggression alike, which is why society and individual fulfillment pull against each other. L9 · 42:17
MarcuseWhere Freud saw repression as the unavoidable cost of living together, Marcuse sees an exit: the repression that matters is capitalism's, and its hold on the body might be undermined. L14 · 40:22
Civilization's repression is not permanent: capitalism's specific repression can be overcome
FreudThe id is desire itself, unconscious, divided into two hardwired drives Freud posits like geometric axioms rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure; Thanatos, toward aggression and death. L9 · 32:50
MarcuseEros and Thanatos compete for the same space, and the death drive can only occupy ground eros has vacated; so work rearranged to re-eroticize the body shrinks aggression. L14 · 40:37
Shore calls Eros and Civilization a takeoff on Freud, using eros and Thanatos to find the way out that Freud denies.
FreudThe id is desire itself, unconscious, divided into two hardwired drives Freud posits like geometric axioms rather than proves: Eros, toward love and pleasure; Thanatos, toward aggression and death. L9 · 32:50
BeauvoirBeauvoir finds Freud as reductive as Marx: psychoanalysis swaps existential choice for hardwired drives and involuntary repression, a determinism she cannot accept, however seriously she takes sexuality. L16 · 42:11
Hardwired drives and repression are too deterministic; they crowd out existential choice
Terms that appear in the same claims.